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Episode 75 with Marcus Howard Interviewing Holly Shaw

February 10th, 2021

The Shadow of the Self: Making Art In The Middle of Madness

Holly Shaw interviewed by comedian Marcus Howard talking about:

  • what is a "shadow self"?

  • fear and how it runs you

  • why vulnerability is so freakin' hard

  • your artistic potential beyond the prevalent poverty mindset

  • Holly's new book, Making Art In The Middle of Madness

Interested in learning more?  Take the free assessment - Meet Your Shadow Archetype - on

Or just go and get the book already>>

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Photographs on this page by Aaron Fagerstrom taken at The Comedy Edge - Rocky's Market The Brooklyn Basin


Marcus Howard, Comedian


Marcus Howard is a rising comedian hailing from the San Francisco Bay Area. His clever and witty stand up touches on relevant topics & navigating life as a black millennial while poking fun at the ridiculous side of wokeness. Marcus' fans have described him as " black, but not scary black" and "pleasantly surprised that he was good". Marcus can be seen performing regularly at The Set Up Comedy Club in San Francisco's pristine Tenderloin.  Follow him on Instagram: @MarcusHoweird


Holly Shaw, CHT is a performance coach, creativity researcher and stand up comedian and has spent a lifetime in film, T.V. and on professional stages all over the world as an actor, dancer, and director. She has helped hundreds of artists, from Emmy award winning and Grammy nominated artists to world class choreographers overcome their anxiety, stage fright, impostor syndrome, and creative blocks so that they can create original work and totally crush it on stage again and again without feeling like they're selling out or losing their sanity.


In 2016, Shaw wrote and published, The Creative Formula   which has become an Amazon bestseller and in 2020 published her second book, Making Art In The Middle of Madness which has become a #1 New Release. The Performers & Creators Lab podcast was named one of 2019's most outstanding podcasts by Databird Research. She teaches regularly at the Screen Actors Guild Conservatories in L.A. and SF and produces The Comedy Edge showcase in Oakland, CA where she lives with her son. Follow her on Instagram to stay up to date:  @hollyshawspritely


Dan Cantrell is an Emmy award winning composer and multi-instrumentalist known for his innovative film scoring approach, and his virtuosic abilities on the accordion, piano and musical saw. “Hauntingly beautiful…quirky and energetic” says the San Francisco Bay Guardian.  His extensive scoring catalogue spans a wide range of emotion and style.


Dan’s compositions for film and television have earned him numerous awards including an Emmy Award for KQED’s Home-Front,a Golden Gate award for the soundtrack to the documentary Divided Loyalties, and an Annie nomination for his work on three seasons of Cartoon Network’s the Marvelous Misadventures of Flapjack.

His Orchestral music was recently featured by the Oakland Symphony, and his chamber music was performed at San Francisco’s Yerba Buena Center for the arts, and in Washington DC’s Kennedy Center.  Dan also recently composed a suite of choral music performed by the Oakland Interfaith Gospel Choir as part of their yearly concert series. Visit

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